[Friday, April 08, 2016] [08:05:51] Mode Channel modes: no colors allowed, no messages from outside, topic protection [Friday, April 08, 2016] [08:05:51] Created This channel was created on 30.10.2009 14:58. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:30:42] Join Lynnwood (~Lynnwood@foswiki/developer/lynnwood) has joined this channel. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:38:44] Join gac410 (~gac410@foswiki/developer/gac410) has joined this channel. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:44:52] Quit Lynnwood (~Lynnwood@foswiki/developer/lynnwood) has left this server (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:45:22] morning everyone [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:45:51] g'morning Lynnwood__ [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:46:05] ...or 'time-neutral' greeting to you [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:46:17] ;-) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:46:31] definitely very morning here :( [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:50:06] Join JulianLevens (~JulianLev@2001:980:e501:1:9c4f:bf49:982d:2ed8) has joined this channel. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:50:15] waiting for the pizza to come :-) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:57:17] Hi there! :) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:57:31] Hi [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:58:49] Join Lavr (~Lavr@foswiki/developer/Lavr) has joined this channel. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:59:01] Hi Lavr [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:59:15] Hi Julian. Hi everyone [Friday, April 08, 2016] [12:59:33] https://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaSeventhGeneralAssembly [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:00:03] Shall we go ahead and kick this off? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:00:34] y, I don't expect many more will join [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:01:00] sure let's get going [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:01:15] I'm willing to facilitate as chair. Would someone be willing to take notes? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:01:35] Hi there [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:01:55] I'll write minutes up from the log of the meeting [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:02:01] Hi Micha [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:02:06] Thanks Julian [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:02:39] alllright, calling this assembly to order. Do we have a quorum? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:02:57] Perhaps folks could declare here for the group what proxies they represent. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:04:15] Quorum from the rules: Irrespective of the number of Members the General Assembly has a quorum if the invitation was submitted in proper form [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:04:30] * MichaelDaum has got one proxy for Crawford [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:04:40] ok [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:05:08] II. Election of two vote counters [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:05:21] Volunteers for vote counters? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:05:26] I can count votes [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:05:41] We need 2 [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:05:47] Before we elect vote counters. We currently have an uncontested election, thus no counters required [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:05:59] I can also count [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:06:21] IIRC we vote by email. I can't because my server's greylist would delay everything by 15 minutes or so. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:06:21] Noted JulianLevens - thanks for pointing it out. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:06:29] We have three board places for election but only two candidates [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:06:50] We really need another candidate, anyone volunteering? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:07:00] I'd like to nominate Lynnwood [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:07:19] i have no objection [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:07:39] great! [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:07:42] unless someone else would like to step up [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:07:54] I also support Lynnwood, thanks [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:07:59] ok, well that's simple. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:08:04] Part FJ (c0661132@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.102.17.50) has left this channel. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:08:10] Volunteers welcome. I'm willling to stand down if someone else would like to participate [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:09:07] Speak now or forever hold your peace :) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:09:20] Let's give folks a moment to consider the awesome opportunities while we go back to prior item: [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:09:21] III. Induction of new members [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:09:37] Unless I hear otherwise, I see we don't have any new members. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:09:55] very exclusive club this... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:10:05] ;) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:10:15] we need somone to move that there is one vote cast for the uncontested slate. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:10:59] thanks gac410 - someone make a motion for uncontested slate for board or directors? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:11:04] clap-clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:11:20] * uebera|| claps [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:11:21] I'll take that as motion. A second? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:11:31] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:11:33] clap clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:11:54] great. a second. Unless i hear objections, we can consider the motion passed by consent. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:12:16] V. Non-Board Auditors / Financial Report [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:12:54] Financial Statement: https://foswiki.org/Community/Finance/FinancialStatement2015 [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:13:02] Hi. Andre and I have audited the status and are both satisfied that the money is where it is supposed to be. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:13:16] We have both added aa statement on the page [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:13:28] added a statement [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:14:40] I move to accept the the financial statement [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:14:48] A second [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:14:51] ? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:15:03] No expenses for a tax accountant this year, I see. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:15:04] note: do we have to review https://foswiki.org/Community/CurrentFoswikiMembers#Active_Foswiki_Members and see who is about to move into "supporting" state based on missing fees? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:15:38] * Lynnwood__ scrambles for paypal... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:15:46] we need to formally accept the financial statement. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:15:47] I've already looked at that. There are 13 active members and they all attended last years GA [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:16:10] "clap" vote is sufficient [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:16:54] or can we even just have motion and second and approve by consent? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:16:58] JulianLevens, yes fine. but there are a couple that havent payed for 2014, 2015 and/or 2016 ... which is afaik the reason to change state [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:17:06] either way. At least we need a second for motion. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:17:22] anyone... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:17:33] (chair can't move or second) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:17:40] * MichaelDaum claps on V. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:17:47] thanks [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:18:19] If there's no objections, the Financial statement is formally accepted. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:18:31] Auditors report [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:18:54] I see note here about clapping... I'll follow that. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:09] Motion to accept Auditors report? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:20] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:22] clap clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:40] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:51] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:56] * uebera|| claps [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:19:58] ...don't know how long i should wait for claps... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:20:23] good enough... if there are no objections then we will consider auditor's report formally accepted. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:20:44] Election of two auditors for the next year [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:20:52] I am ready to do it again [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:21:02] Thanks Lavr [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:21:06] Andre wrote in an email to me "I don't know whether we were elected for two years. If not, I wouldn't mind, if somebody else would step in as a auditor next year." [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:21:45] It takes 10 minutes to audit our simple finance statement and check the bank screenshots. Easy job [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:21:46] That only leaves uebera|| to volunteer [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:21:54] :) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:21:58] OK, I'll do it. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:22:06] thanks [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:22:06] Thanks uebera|| [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:22:18] claps to show approval... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:22:25] clap clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:22:27] * MichaelDaum claps too [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:22:54] * gac410 claps to to accept Kenneth and Markus as auditors for next year [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:23:05] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:23:24] * MichaelDaum feels claptomanica today [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:24:19] Ok, if no objections, we'll accepts the thunderous clapping as approval for election of Kenneth and Markus as auditors for next year [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:24:35] VI. Proposals received from the members for Bylaws [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:25:00] I don't believe we have any proposed new or revised bylaws. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:25:39] Do we need to elect a chair of the board, or does the board meet to do that among themselves? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:25:49] The board does that [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:25:57] okay. good [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:25:58] that's my memory also. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:26:14] Does anyone have any additional agenda items? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:26:20] yes me [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:26:26] do we have to review https://foswiki.org/Community/CurrentFoswikiMembers#Active_Foswiki_Members and see who is about to move into "supporting" state based on missing fees? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:26:45] Thanks Michael [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:26:55] Ok, we have 13 active members of which 8 have paid this year [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:27:13] That leaves 5 I will email a second and final time (as per the rules) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:27:22] to pay their dues [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:27:51] thanks [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:27:58] If payment is not received in 4 (or 6) weeks after that email will lose membership [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:28:17] For other business, do we need to do anything to get some more cash flow to cover the server? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:28:41] This year no-one will lose membership due to missing the GA [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:28:57] gac410, good point [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:29:03] Everything has been paid w.r.t. the server for a year--unless we want to order something else. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:29:06] * gac410 did pay dues btw. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:29:14] I'm trying to find who we make payment to via paypal. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:29:20] This includes domain fees. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:30:13] if there arent enough monies for the next year server, I'd be happy to sponsor an amount [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:30:18] Okay, but it didn't show up in the 2015 finances (obviously) ... so just looking ahead for next year, we will be spending [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:31:16] We don't really make any effort to bring in new members to the association. We should probably market it a bit better [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:31:36] agree - we need to recruit [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:31:42] ... which is only one way to bring in $ [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:32:22] Maybe a standard blurb to include in our release announcements, etc. would be helpful. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:32:23] we barely have any notion visible to people how to donate [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:32:57] maybe add a donate button to the download page? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:33:00] y, add a Donate 'button' somewhere [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:33:01] note necessarily becoming a member, but just do a one-shot donation [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:33:37] the author of codemirror does this:https://marijnhaverbeke.nl/fund/ [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:34:06] lots of people donating a small amount per month ... and boom he can make a living from it [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:34:13] Yeah .,, Even paying dues could stand to have a "Renew now" button. Right. For Join/Renew, we could probably have a fill-in to list who proposed membership. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:34:15] quite impressive [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:34:54] We need EUR 36 (Bank fees) + 150 (Server + domains) + 238 (Tax accountant) per annum [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:35:18] that's 424 per annum [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:35:26] We could easily set up a paypal button for donation of membership fee payment. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:36:05] This https://foswiki.org/Community/Finance [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:36:18] Just that initial membership needs proposals and vote. so don't want people assuming that click now and automatically a member. Even if it is a formality [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:36:24] covers the payments options - it's just somewhat hidden [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:36:40] * Lynnwood__ just clicked button to send paypal pymt for 2016 [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:37:31] Lynnwood__, which button is that? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:37:57] * gac410 was about to ask as well... Don't see a button on Community/Finance [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:38:03] in paypal. we don't have one setup on site [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:38:14] but it's easy to do [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:38:15] ah good. Thought I was blind [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:38:27] ah okay. well that'd be cool. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:05] should we go as far to add a "Donate" to our Download page? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:14] i just noticed a promo in paypal about "paypal.me" that's an email where folks can send you money. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:14] Lynnwood__ are you volunteering? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:29] gac410: +1 [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:33] gac410, +1 [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:33] i'll be glad to set it up. i'll need access to the foswiki paypal account. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:40] You need to have access to the foswiki.org paypal account to set up these things. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:47] (the setup to generate button code is there) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:39:56] ask Oliver [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:40:01] ok i will. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:40:18] consider it done. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:40:32] Strictly that will need transferring to the treasurer [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:40:48] We should consider that more than one person has account access ... When we lost Sven, it was painful to gain control of dns, etc. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:41:20] ol' Sven is too busy baking cakes with his girls. ;-) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:41:29] elaborate cakes... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:41:39] (FB pics) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:41:42] y, I'll get the details and hopefully Oliver will still remain backup [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:41:46] (That actually goes for all of our social accounts held in "foswiki"'s name [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:42:06] good point. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:42:12] I would argue that the whole board should have access [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:42:28] Who's admin for the LinkedIn Foswiki group, btw? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:42:53] * MichaelDaum has got keys for the twitter and facebook pages [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:42:54] Normally it is the treasurer and chairman that has access to the money accounts in a small association [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:43:43] we should set up a page to list all of the "foswiki" accounts and coordinate who has admin rights. ... And we really need to review them as well. Sourceforge has a number of admins who have left the project. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:43:58] +1 [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:44:11] Having all board members having access to these accounts would provide mechanism for succession of people who have access. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:44:37] Some have concept of "owner" vs "admin" and only the owner can make certain types of changes. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:45:11] Assuming the site provides those role distinctions. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:45:23] Lavr: yes I think some accounts should be more restricted, but 'social' accounts not [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:45:27] yes Just commenting that we may need that for some. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:45:38] Julian - yes [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:46:08] So we set up page to gather this info and give view access to board group? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:46:25] y, That's the idea [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:46:41] ok. agreed. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:46:45] If it only lists accounts and who controls, it can probably be more widely accessible. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:47:02] i'll start it is I don't find we have some such page. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:47:08] plus: as soon as somebody leaves the group of responsible persons will he hand over keys to somebody else. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:47:17] I have a feeling some of this is already gathered, maybe not in one place [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:47:30] gac41, maybe have two pages, one with an overview and one with additional details (so that we have them somewhere). [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:47:33] Hello Oliver [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:47:48] Hello Julian. Hi everybody. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:48:01] uebera|| i support that idea [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:48:03] uebera||: Sounds good. Just thinks like who can access what, is more commonly needed than just the board. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:48:42] what did I just type??? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:48:42] There's the InfrastructureTaskTeam [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:49:14] Is there any more new business? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:10] I created: https://foswiki.org/Community/AgendaEighthGeneralAssembly [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:12] If not, then I will call for motion to close [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:20] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:25] * uebera|| claps [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:31] Clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:37] I'm proposing the next GA for Fri 7th April 2017 at 1100Z [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:50:52] thanks JulianLevens [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:08] motion made for next GA at Fri 7th April 2017 at 1100Z [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:11] Claps, and claps again for next GA [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:18] Clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:20] clap [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:22] * uebera|| claps [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:39] ok, if no objections, next GA date accepted and meeting closed. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:42] Thanks everyone [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:54] Thanks everyone [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:51:55] Thanks Lynnwood__ [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:01] will add the date to the FoswikiCalendar [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:28] Thanks everyone [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:33] Im sorry. I expected the GA to start in 8mins. :-( [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:47] thanks. very efficient. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:47] on the topic of social accounts, what all do we have? Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Google calendar... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:52] I'll change the Foswiki broadcast to say "Mark your calendars" for next year, and leave it for a few days. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:52:54] y, the timezone stuff is confusing [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:53:12] Lynnwood__, wikimatrix [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:53:16] gac410: good idea [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:53:37] Lynnwood__, Xing [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:53:49] Openhub.net [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:53:58] github [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:54:04] sourceforge [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:54:06] sourcefor... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:54:28] google plus [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:54:29] There is another git repo that exists. gittorious maybe? I don't have access to it. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:56:00] What shall we call these pages? perhaps "FoswikiAccounts" for private information? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:56:03] looks like gitorious.org has died [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:56:19] FoswikiOnTheWeb or public listing? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:56:30] for public list... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:56:43] sure [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:57:34] FoswikiOnTheNet [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:58:31] For next announcement, lets include the Zulu GMT time, along with "selected" timezones for cities that will help others orient. Boston, London, ... (helpmeout) ;) [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:58:52] Hanau :D [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:58:59] Quit OliverKrueger (~okrueger@foswiki/developer/ok) has left this server (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). [Friday, April 08, 2016] [13:59:18] Amsterdam/Berlin/Canberra [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:00:02] in case somebody would like to edit the 8th GA's event: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=bjg4MjMydjJxbHV2OW0xaWhzZ2xodXZqZGsgMGVmbHR0NmltcWRhMWx2dmtnZTl2MDNxbjhAZw&tmsrc=0efltt6imqda1lvvkge9v03qn8%40group.calendar.google.com [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:00:56] maybe we can implement a foswiki.org link shortener for some of these URLs at one point... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:01:05] https://foswiki.org/Development/FoswikiCalendar [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:01:56] Lynnwood__, I'll update write access to the Foswiki Calendar on google to those on the board [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:02:15] Some social accounts are listed at https://foswiki.org/Community/MarketingHub [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:02:36] thanks MichaelDaum - i've got something i've wanted to add to it for awhile. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:02:51] that is: the trademark 10 year renewal. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:02:58] Lynnwood__, have you got a gmail account or which addr should that be to log in to google? [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:03:16] i'll send you my gmail account. [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:03:17] Anyway ... I need to get on with my day. Thanks everyone. I'll stay logged in. Thanks everyone [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:03:26] Bye [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:04:19] bye [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:04:20] Bye also from me. Time to go to breakfast and to the office. I am in Schaumburg (Chicago) this week [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:04:53] perfect lunchtime... [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:04:54] cu [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:05:02] bye [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:05:23] bye all [Friday, April 08, 2016] [14:40:53] Part uebera|| (~ueberall@unaffiliated/ueberall) has left this channel ("Konversation terminated!"). [Friday, April 08, 2016] [15:10:26] Quit JulianLevens (~JulianLev@2001:980:e501:1:9c4f:bf49:982d:2ed8) has left this server (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).