- 10 Sep 2019
- IRC Chat on #foswiki-association channel
- planning for a next general assembly
- status of current memberships
- status of the project
- regular release meetings
- new release manager
- new release plan
- Net GA 28th Nov 2019 @ 12:00 UTC
- Accounts and membership info sorted out in next two weeks
- Email ref GA follows from 2, ActiveMembers plus recent participants in the last few years
- Project is dormant and we (the board) collectively need to add spark to project
- Videos need to be produced
- More release management activity
- JulianLevens voluterred to be RM from January
- New time of 17:30PM CET
- Meetings to resume as best as possible in the meantime
4:00:39 PM uebera|| Ah… Hi there!
4:00:52 PM FoswikiOnSlack Hi
4:01:09 PM Lynnwood If anyone doesn't have it open, here's the agenda: https://foswiki.org/Community/AssociationBoardMinutes20191010
4:01:15 PM uebera|| thx!
4:01:34 PM MichaelDaum we still miss one board member: Kenneth
4:01:53 PM Lynnwood Ok, are we ready to get started? Perhaps we can get confirmation of who's here (if you haven't already spoken up).
4:02:25 PM MichaelDaum I send an email to kenneth in case he forgot
4:03:09 PM Lynnwood Perhaps we can proceed, delaying final decisions on major items for awhile to give Kenneth time to show up.
4:03:45 PM MichaelDaum JulianLevens, you are there?
4:03:53 PM uebera|| (Technically, we don't need/already meet a quorum, right?)
4:03:58 PM FoswikiOnSlack I'm here
4:04:05 PM MichaelDaum oic, hi :)
4:04:34 PM Lynnwood Sure wish we could be meeting face to face. Would be great to see all of you!
4:04:43 PM MichaelDaum true
4:04:46 PM uebera|| Google Hangout? :o)
4:04:49 PM JulianLevens Ok, I'll skip slack
4:05:04 PM MichaelDaum so does anybody want to add something to the agenda?
4:05:31 PM Lynnwood I have one small item to revisit: the foswiki trademark.
4:05:31 PM uebera|| Maybe "7. Misc"?
4:05:53 PM Lynnwood The registration will lapse here in US if I don't act on it this month.
4:06:07 PM MichaelDaum got an email from kenneth: "fighting with irc. joining asap."
4:06:17 PM Lynnwood great.
4:06:29 PM Lynnwood so that can be added under Misc.
4:06:57 PM Lynnwood Shall we discuss schedule for next general assembly?
4:07:09 PM JulianLevens Yep
4:07:11 PM uebera|| ok
4:07:35 PM MichaelDaum is it possible to have one within 2019
4:07:54 PM Lynnwood Seems like we should be able to.
4:08:01 PM uebera|| IIRC, it is even mandatory, no?
4:08:17 PM JulianLevens From memory we need at least 6 weeks notice
4:08:40 PM JulianLevens Probably mandatory and 6 months ago
4:09:01 PM Lavr joined the channel.
4:09:07 PM uebera|| Hi, Lavr!
4:09:23 PM JulianLevens Hello indeed
4:09:28 PM Lavr Hi. Sorry for delay. I cannot get my IRC client to work. Using the Freenode web client
4:10:11 PM Lynnwood 6 week notice was my memory also. Trying to look it up...
4:10:17 PM Lynnwood Welcome Lavr!
4:11:18 PM Lynnwood https://foswiki.org/pub/Community/AssociationArticles/Foswiki_Association_Articles_2014-03-26.pdf
4:11:31 PM Lynnwood "2) The General Assembly takes place at least on- 2) Die Mitgliederversammlung findet mindestens
4:11:31 PM Lynnwood ce a year"
4:11:35 PM ChanServ gave channel operator status to MichaelDaum.
4:11:55 PM Lynnwood ok... i won't try copying from pdf any more.
4:12:24 PM ChanServ gave channel operator status to MichaelDaum.
4:12:33 PM MichaelDaum changed the topic to: https://foswiki.org/Community/AssociationBoardMinutes20191010.
4:13:06 PM Lynnwood And confirming: "The invitation must be sent at least six weeks prior to the meeting."
4:13:07 PM uebera|| This contains the "six weeks notice".
4:13:14 PM Lynnwood yes
4:14:21 PM Lynnwood How about first week in December? Say December 5th?
4:14:53 PM MichaelDaum +1
4:14:57 PM uebera|| That's a Thursday.
4:15:33 PM uebera|| Didn't we use to choose Friday? Can't remember, to be honest.
4:15:46 PM Lynnwood Better day? I'm trying to remember? Weekend?
4:15:46 PM JulianLevens Yes Friday was always popular
4:15:55 PM Lynnwood I'm fine with Friday.
4:15:58 PM MichaelDaum me2
4:16:05 PM Lynnwood December 6?
4:16:06 PM uebera|| But December the 6th might be a bad chouice.
4:16:18 PM uebera|| For family people, that is.
4:16:27 PM Lynnwood how come? special day?
4:16:39 PM MichaelDaum Saint Nicholas Day
4:16:41 PM uebera|| In Germany, yes.
4:16:48 PM Lynnwood ah. ok.
4:17:22 PM uebera|| How about the 13th?
4:17:24 PM Lynnwood December 13 would be the next Friday.
4:17:30 PM uebera|| +1
4:17:35 PM Lynnwood Gives us a little more time to get out email.
4:17:45 PM MichaelDaum Friday 13th? Hum.
4:17:48 PM Lynnwood +1
4:18:00 PM Lynnwood lol... well there's that...
4:18:31 PM uebera|| We could choose the last Friday in November... I fear that Friday the 20th is too late, most will be on holiday? Or would that be better?
4:19:04 PM uebera|| Also, for decisions which need to be taken in the course of this fiscal year (if any), this does not leave us with much time.
4:19:15 PM MichaelDaum Nov 29 is still within the limits
4:19:29 PM Lynnwood Yep. That's ok with me.
4:19:35 PM uebera|| Ok... +1
4:19:45 PM Lynnwood Only problem is that's a sacred holiday in us. Black Friday.
4:19:50 PM Lynnwood lol
4:20:00 PM Lavr Nov 29 - that is Motorola XMAS party. I can't
4:20:02 PM Lynnwood +1
4:20:27 PM Lavr 28th would be OK for me
4:20:40 PM MichaelDaum +1 on Nov 28
4:20:46 PM uebera|| +1
4:20:51 PM Lynnwood +1 28th
4:21:30 PM Lynnwood Hearing any objections to the 28th? Any more Saint days or parties? busy time of year...
4:21:35 PM JulianLevens 28th is ok for me
4:21:57 PM Lynnwood ok. sounds like agreement.
4:22:05 PM MichaelDaum awesome
4:22:24 PM Lynnwood I'll work on getting letter together. May need some help getting email list.
4:22:54 PM Lynnwood Anything else on that item?
4:23:09 PM Lynnwood If not, moving on to "status of current memberships"
4:23:18 PM Lynnwood https://foswiki.org/Community/CurrentFoswikiMembers
4:23:31 PM Lynnwood it's not current... or none of us are.
4:23:32 PM MichaelDaum I was wondering if we need to act upon this list
4:23:39 PM Lynnwood how so?
4:24:15 PM MichaelDaum let me see ... foswiki doesnt return the list atm ... slow site
4:25:04 PM JulianLevens Because of: https://foswiki.org/Community/MotionToSimplifyMembershipCriteria
4:25:12 PM JulianLevens it's only paid up members
4:25:21 PM JulianLevens There were only 7 or 8 last count
4:25:41 PM uebera|| (/me just killed a 2.5GB foswiki.fcgi task)
4:25:42 PM Lynnwood Shall we send out invite and reminder to members who have been active within past 3 or 4 years?
4:26:00 PM uebera|| +1
4:26:01 PM MichaelDaum yes thats what I was wondering
4:26:15 PM Lynnwood ok, i understand.
4:26:20 PM MichaelDaum paying fees for 2019 right away
4:26:21 PM Lynnwood Sounds good to me.
4:26:39 PM Lavr Me too :-)
4:26:39 PM Lynnwood will pay dues after meeting
4:26:44 PM Lynnwood :-)
4:26:45 PM uebera|| btw, you might want to pay your membership, yes.
4:27:05 PM uebera|| And maybe relieve Oliver from his task to keep track of the payments as he requested.
4:27:19 PM JulianLevens That should be with me
4:27:35 PM JulianLevens I understand bank accounts have been transferred to me
4:28:07 PM JulianLevens I haven't checked that out
4:28:27 PM JulianLevens That could be a problem
4:28:30 PM JulianLevens or not
4:28:52 PM Lynnwood Just check it out before the meeting.
4:29:10 PM JulianLevens Need to do way before meeting
4:29:13 PM Lynnwood or contact board if you come across big problem that we need to address.
4:29:37 PM JulianLevens I need to be sure I can produce financial report that the auditors can see in advance
4:29:46 PM Lynnwood right
4:30:02 PM JulianLevens I'll be moving house in a few weeks
4:30:10 PM JulianLevens My house sold in principle
4:30:23 PM JulianLevens Just need to find new place etc etc etc
4:30:39 PM Lynnwood yikes! you will be busy.
4:30:48 PM Lynnwood can you get this done?
4:30:49 PM JulianLevens Stress city
4:31:00 PM JulianLevens I don't know
4:31:08 PM JulianLevens If access proves simple
4:31:43 PM JulianLevens Then updating a relatively small number of entries should not be a problem
4:31:55 PM Lynnwood Perhaps you can start process and see what kind of issues you run into and then let us know if there's any way others can help.
4:32:01 PM JulianLevens There just that word 'if' in there though
4:32:37 PM JulianLevens I'll do what I can in the next week or two, I can at least assess the situation better
4:32:47 PM Lynnwood Sounds good.
4:32:51 PM MichaelDaum so which members need a membership notification?
4:33:01 PM MichaelDaum which ones will change their status?
4:33:54 PM MichaelDaum we've got 26 members that have not paid since 2016
4:33:57 PM MichaelDaum afaics
4:34:22 PM Lynnwood I would propose reaching out to any who have been active within past 3 or 5 years on chance to bring them back in.
4:34:39 PM Lynnwood invitation to renew and attend assembly.
4:34:47 PM uebera|| Sounds good.
4:34:51 PM MichaelDaum ok good
4:35:31 PM Lavr It is only Colas that paid 2017 and not 2018 - so he should get a chance to catch up. Rest just need to pay for 2019.
4:35:33 PM MichaelDaum wow: we've got 5 members that paid last in 2011
4:35:39 PM Lavr Please put info how to pay.
4:35:55 PM Lynnwood ok. good point.
4:35:56 PM Lavr EVen I cannot remember
4:36:09 PM JulianLevens I think apart from us 5, Crawford, Oliver and George were members as of 2017
4:36:22 PM uebera|| Lavr: https://foswiki.org/Community/Finance/WebHome
4:37:05 PM uebera|| Please remember that we officially need to have seven members at all times according to local association law.
4:37:19 PM Lynnwood yikes
4:37:32 PM JulianLevens I've set up a standing order to Foswiki to be paid in December every year for the following year
4:37:35 PM Lynnwood i'll sign up our dog and a couple of chickens
4:38:09 PM JulianLevens I'd ask you all to do the same
4:38:21 PM Lynnwood JulianLevens - good idea. I'll do that this time.
4:38:35 PM JulianLevens My little Christmas present to Foswiki
4:38:42 PM Lynnwood Sounds good.
4:38:59 PM Lynnwood anything else on "status of current memberships"?
4:39:01 PM MichaelDaum dont' forget to update https://foswiki.org/Community/CurrentFoswikiMembers
4:39:20 PM Lynnwood Yes, should be done prior to assembly.
4:39:42 PM Lynnwood And should I assume the membership revision will be on agenda for assembly?
4:39:51 PM JulianLevens I'll update that
4:40:06 PM JulianLevens It's arguably treasury responsibility
4:40:09 PM MichaelDaum JulianLevens, you already paid last december? can't see this on https://foswiki.org/Community/Finance/FinancialStatement2018
4:40:27 PM MichaelDaum nor mine
4:40:36 PM JulianLevens Now it's based on payment only
4:40:42 PM MichaelDaum ah mine is there
4:40:55 PM JulianLevens Yes but payments only recorded up to end 2017 by Oliver
4:41:10 PM JulianLevens I need to take over and *nothing* has yet been entered
4:41:23 PM uebera|| Right, mine's missing (from 27-11-2018)
4:41:34 PM Lavr I am now a full member again ;-)
4:42:00 PM MichaelDaum Lavr, though your user profile says you are inactive: https://foswiki.org/Main/KennethLavrsen
4:42:21 PM JulianLevens Actually, Oliver has entered some 2018 payments
4:44:34 PM MichaelDaum anything else on 2)?
4:44:36 PM Lynnwood Sorry... trying to remember the amount of membership?
4:44:40 PM MichaelDaum 10€
4:44:40 PM uebera|| JulianLevens: "At least two months before the annual General Assembly the Board will update the Active Members list in accordance with the outcome of the review."
4:44:57 PM uebera|| So we need to think about the timing.
4:45:13 PM Lynnwood MichaelDaum - thanks
4:45:17 PM Lynnwood ouch
4:46:12 PM JulianLevens Better be done today then
4:46:13 PM Lynnwood So we have a dilemma: not fulfill requirement for annual meeting or not fulfill requirement for time of review of active members.
4:46:28 PM Lavr Best effort is what we can do. More important to have the meeting.
4:46:34 PM Lynnwood agreed
4:47:03 PM Lynnwood Let's proceed.
4:47:33 PM Lynnwood Moving on to 3: status of the project
4:47:36 PM Lynnwood fun
4:47:58 PM Lavr I have a meeting at 17:00 for half an hour. But then I can join again.
4:48:25 PM Lavr I can lurk but not type
4:48:54 PM Lynnwood ok
4:49:40 PM MichaelDaum status of the project: dormant
4:50:04 PM Lynnwood Generous enough statement...
4:50:17 PM MichaelDaum we've almost lost all devs
4:51:02 PM MichaelDaum the prev release manager left - and we didnt elect a new one.
4:51:25 PM MichaelDaum nobody feels inclined to join the release meetings ... for a long time now
4:51:33 PM JulianLevens BTW: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&month=11&year=2019&p1=179&p2=136&p3=16&p4=57&iv=0
4:51:47 PM JulianLevens So what time on the 28th?
4:52:59 PM JulianLevens Dormant reflects my personal status
4:53:05 PM MichaelDaum all of the remaining points in the agenda somewhat go together
4:53:13 PM Lynnwood The time of this meeting was very good for me,.
4:53:19 PM uebera|| Ad time: Previously, we set 11:00 UTC.
4:53:46 PM JulianLevens Yes but that UTC was based on DST times
4:53:47 PM Lynnwood Yes, it occurs to me to address the project status topic via discussion of the other items on agenda. Then perhaps return to it.
4:54:05 PM JulianLevens We should probably adjust to 12:00 UTC
4:54:49 PM MichaelDaum what do you guys think about foswiki and what are you personally going to do about it?
4:55:09 PM Lavr time for GA. For me I am always in a management review from 14:30 to 15:30 Central Eu time. Before is best. After is OK
4:55:19 PM Lavr Yes. My personal situation. My company has moved to Google office suite which has good collaboration tools, and to Atlassian incl Confluence, Jira etc. So with us Foswiki is a thing of the past. And privately I passed on the Motion project to someone else who moved all to Github.
4:55:53 PM JulianLevens Lavr are the new tools as good
4:56:05 PM Lavr But I am still OK to be in the board and protect all the hard work we have done. But the project needs fresh young blood to continue.
4:56:28 PM JulianLevens I'd be happy with fresh enthusiasm
4:57:09 PM JulianLevens Lavr: Or to put it another way what could Foswiki learn from these other tools?
4:57:11 PM Lavr Julian as good? They both have one killer feature that Foswiki does not have and that is simultaneous editing.
4:57:27 PM Lynnwood I regularly review what other tools are out there that are as flexible in quickly building customized knowledge apps and i still think Foswiki is awesome.
4:57:40 PM Lavr We are very strong on the easy way to make small applications. It is the editing that is lacking behind
4:57:50 PM JulianLevens Simultaneous editing is a biggie
4:57:57 PM Lynnwood very true Lavr.
4:58:08 PM Lynnwood primary complaint i hear is about the editor.
4:58:30 PM JulianLevens I pretty sure I can bring SQL to Foswiki, joins and all
4:59:02 PM JulianLevens Is that just developer vanity or would it add real value
4:59:28 PM Lynnwood I have been thinking about creating set of instructional videos about setting up Foswiki (including NatSkin goodness) and creating first application. A way to ease the entry and encourage folks who have project idea but need help to get going.
4:59:30 PM JulianLevens It would also be able to join external tables from other databases
4:59:56 PM MichaelDaum there are a couple of areas in the core code that need a rewrite: users, search, meta data cache, slim down foswiki::ui level are the top culprits imho
5:00:05 PM Lavr Simultaneous collaboration. That is the killer. Without it all does not matter
5:00:05 PM Lynnwood While highlighting some of the rather unique virtues I see in Foswiki.
5:00:29 PM MichaelDaum sim edit is the least we need, sorry.
5:00:29 PM Lavr I am in lurking mode now. I have a meeting with a manager colleague from Chicago the next 30 mins
5:01:09 PM JulianLevens The big personal problem is this
5:01:27 PM JulianLevens I can see immense potential for Foswiki
5:01:58 PM JulianLevens But all my efforts may prove to be nothing
5:02:06 PM JulianLevens Because we do not have enough devs
5:02:52 PM Lynnwood I would think the way to attract new devs is to have them see Foswiki as good candidate for their next project.
5:03:08 PM MichaelDaum right
5:03:09 PM JulianLevens Lynnwood, Michael you work as consultants
5:03:09 PM Lynnwood Hard to attract them unless they see use.
5:03:13 PM uebera|| We don't even have enough people who tend to "gardening" (maintining parts of the webs) or answering questions on IRC, ...
5:03:30 PM MichaelDaum JulianLevens, yes, full time.
5:03:53 PM JulianLevens And mostly Foswiki based consulting?
5:04:15 PM MichaelDaum when googling foswiki the old seifert videos still pop up. we need to create new ones. even small ones.
5:04:20 PM JulianLevens Lynnwood what about you?
5:04:22 PM Lynnwood Same for me. 90% foswiki.
5:04:30 PM MichaelDaum 100% foswiki. nothing else.
5:04:45 PM Lynnwood And I do seem to get new requests on project with some regularity.
5:05:07 PM MichaelDaum Lynnwood and I we are working together for some clients in U.S.
5:05:24 PM Lynnwood Although to be honest, 2/3 of my work is for clients who have been using Foswiki for awhile.
5:05:29 PM Lynnwood years...
5:05:37 PM JulianLevens uebera||, does your work involve Foswiki
5:06:14 PM uebera|| No. Unless I use it myself in the course of a project for internal reasons.
5:06:15 PM JulianLevens My last job had Foswiki, but it was never properly supported, I did the best to keep it alive
5:06:37 PM JulianLevens I'm freelancing again, but no Foswiki
5:06:56 PM JulianLevens The tools they are using for collaboration are rubbish
5:07:07 PM JulianLevens Although that could be implementation issues
5:07:22 PM JulianLevens and training, developing the right user attitudes etc
5:07:47 PM JulianLevens So, I'm left doing FW on the side with little feedback
5:07:57 PM Lynnwood I find most are too structured and hard to modify to local needs.
5:08:26 PM JulianLevens Yes, and I suspect management like 'too' structured in a lot of places
5:08:40 PM Lynnwood True enough...
5:09:00 PM MichaelDaum most devs we were in contact for a longer time in the past werent using foswiki themselves that much. that was my impression.
5:09:11 PM MichaelDaum which is okay.
5:10:08 PM JulianLevens Yes, and if there were still active devs it would give me feedback from others that fuels enthusiasm and ideas
5:10:50 PM MichaelDaum ic. maybe we should really create some videos and blog about things. if only for inspirational purposes.
5:10:57 PM JulianLevens Of course, I could become more active and create a spark
5:11:17 PM JulianLevens Yes that would be good
5:11:34 PM JulianLevens I always found the camps helped
5:11:43 PM JulianLevens At least they helped me
5:12:04 PM JulianLevens How about a video and blogging camp?
5:12:12 PM Lynnwood I have thought it might be useful to do some video demos of applications because some of the most interesting ones I've done are behind firewalls.
5:12:27 PM uebera|| +1
5:12:29 PM MichaelDaum +1
5:12:43 PM uebera|| "(Not so) typical use cases" might be a nice-to-have mini series.
5:13:16 PM Lynnwood exactly...
5:13:29 PM MichaelDaum we should coordinate the kind of videos we like to create
5:14:21 PM Lynnwood yes, and perhaps collaborate on some common branding around the project.
5:14:23 PM MichaelDaum I tend to use obs: https://obsproject.com/
5:14:35 PM MichaelDaum for screen recording
5:14:47 PM uebera|| Nice.
5:14:59 PM Lynnwood nice. I haven't seen that one. I've used a proprietary one for mac.
5:15:13 PM JulianLevens And I'm clueless
5:15:33 PM Lynnwood I have found they are not hard.
5:15:42 PM MichaelDaum my son used it for his minecraft stuff. and some cutting tool ... forgotten which one.
5:16:00 PM Lynnwood but like anything, takes some time to get polished.
5:16:02 PM JulianLevens The basics are probably easy enough
5:16:16 PM Lynnwood remembers fondly the short period when kids were into minecraft.
5:17:21 PM uebera|| Still, we need more hands on deck/be able to invest more time to tend to f.o than we currently do.
5:17:39 PM Lynnwood This is good discussion and I would support returning to it, but i think we should move on to immediate needs of next items.
5:17:39 PM uebera|| Motivational videos are one thing, operations/maintenance are another.
5:17:57 PM Lynnwood 4. regular release meetings
5:18:05 PM Lynnwood 5. new release manager
5:18:20 PM JulianLevens BTW: Do we have much info on how many downloads we get for FW?
5:18:31 PM MichaelDaum on operations: to get the next release out we need weblate
5:18:48 PM JulianLevens How many companies are using FW, do we have any idea?
5:19:08 PM MichaelDaum no idea on numbers
5:19:47 PM MichaelDaum on 4) - how about we continue on videos during a next release meeting?
5:19:57 PM MichaelDaum as well as weblate
5:20:05 PM JulianLevens Sure
5:20:06 PM Lynnwood sounds good.
5:20:15 PM Lynnwood Regarding weblate, any idea how much work will be involved in converting existing language files?
5:20:39 PM MichaelDaum according to our Foswiki calendar the next release meeting would be coming Monday.
5:20:43 PM Lynnwood easy? difficult? starting over from scratch?
5:21:32 PM uebera|| Lynnwood: Converting from what to what?
5:22:32 PM MichaelDaum https://foswiki.org/Development/FoswikiCalendar
5:23:21 PM Lynnwood Am i right or wrong in understanding weblate will supplant our language translation files?
5:23:39 PM MichaelDaum it reads and writes our po files
5:23:55 PM MichaelDaum as well as commits them to github
5:24:07 PM Lynnwood Great.
5:24:10 PM MichaelDaum somebody has to volunteer to set things up.
5:24:19 PM Lynnwood So doesn't replace but enhances manage of.
5:24:45 PM Lynnwood enough for now. we can revisit at release meeting.
5:24:49 PM uebera|| There's an official docker image now (looked at it some weeks ago) and it's still a mess. Does also not address update related problems at all. Just serves as a test installation.
5:24:50 PM MichaelDaum modell aachen ran our previous server and has shut it down long time ago. there is a weblate running on foswiki.org yet not configured.
5:25:24 PM uebera|| From the ML: "Weblate 3.9 will be released 15th of October"
5:26:09 PM Lynnwood I notice on their pricing page, they have a "Gratis for libre projects" option.
5:26:30 PM Lynnwood I would assume that's hosted by them so no maintaining server.
5:26:33 PM uebera|| But setting it up/configuring and maintaining it is a lot of work. Yes, maybe we should consider the above as a makeshift option.
5:27:21 PM uebera|| But this also does not address one problem we did not solve in the past: Who manages foreign languages we don't speak?
5:27:35 PM uebera|| If we again attract numerous submissions and do not act on them…
5:27:46 PM uebera|| And IMHO, that's a *huge
5:27:48 PM uebera||
5:28:00 PM uebera|| (sorry) ... that's a *huge* 'if'.
5:28:09 PM Lynnwood yes...
5:28:35 PM uebera|| If we're the only ones ever accessing the po files, no need to bother with weblate as well.
5:30:05 PM uebera|| But we should leave re-priorization to a release meeting.
5:30:28 PM MichaelDaum yes. I tend to hand write po files for plugins.
5:30:35 PM MichaelDaum at least the german translations.
5:31:21 PM MichaelDaum there are a few tools on the cmdline that lets you import translations from other po files while extracting marked strings.
5:32:08 PM uebera|| I would look at https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/PO-Mode.html
5:32:16 PM uebera|| But that's a personal preference.
5:32:16 PM MichaelDaum the point if setting up weblate is that if we dont we definitely will lose our translators we had before.
5:32:36 PM uebera|| Question: Which translators do we still have?
5:32:53 PM uebera|| I have not seen a single question "when will WL be available again?" on the ML or on IRC for years.
5:33:18 PM uebera|| So IMHO we should ask first. No answer, no Weblate.
5:33:28 PM MichaelDaum I am not sure. we had a process to notify them once strings were frozen.
5:34:00 PM uebera|| IMHO we should review all processes we used to have during the next development meetings. As a refresher/introduction.
5:34:48 PM MichaelDaum http://foswiki.org/Development/TranslationProcess
5:36:08 PM Lynnwood On the matter of release meetings, what do we need to have happen?
5:36:33 PM JulianLevens Personally I cannot make the usual time anymore
5:36:46 PM MichaelDaum shall we reschedule it?
5:36:55 PM JulianLevens Yes please
5:37:05 PM MichaelDaum btw there once was a translation mailing list https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foswiki-translations
5:37:05 PM JulianLevens In principle I could be RM
5:37:15 PM Lynnwood I'll admit that was a tough day/time for me as well.
5:37:22 PM JulianLevens But probably not until Jan 2020
5:37:46 PM JulianLevens My last job was supported enough to let me attend
5:37:52 PM Lynnwood We're practically there anyway.
5:38:12 PM JulianLevens This I have to do in my own time back at home
5:38:45 PM JulianLevens And I should have a home by then ;)
5:38:58 PM uebera|| We now have https://lists.foswiki.org/wws/info/foswiki-translations, but it's "dead".
5:39:51 PM uebera|| IIRC, all subscribers received the info for every list we still use as of today.
5:40:18 PM MichaelDaum so what time is best having release meetings?
5:40:39 PM MichaelDaum Mondays at 1600 instead of 1400?
5:40:47 PM Lynnwood For myself, just a little later would be good.
5:40:47 PM uebera|| Late(r) in the evening would be my preference, yes.
5:40:52 PM JulianLevens More like 18:00
5:40:59 PM JulianLevens 17:00 at a pinch
5:41:01 PM Lynnwood 1600 would be fine.
5:41:13 PM Lynnwood or any of those times are fine for me.
5:41:15 PM MichaelDaum JulianLevens, +1 on RM :D
5:41:48 PM uebera|| Yes, +1 on RM.
5:41:57 PM JulianLevens Oh no, what have I done
5:42:49 PM MichaelDaum 1800 is a bit late but okayish.
5:43:24 PM uebera|| Great. Maybe we can make it shorter than this board meeting.
5:43:33 PM JulianLevens We'll have to see, it's not set in stone maybe 17:30
5:43:45 PM MichaelDaum +1 on 17:30
5:43:53 PM uebera|| +1, 17:30 UTC.
5:44:01 PM Lynnwood +1 17:30
5:44:20 PM JulianLevens Ok, 17:30 at least to start with, from January
5:44:37 PM MichaelDaum updating the FW calendar
5:44:53 PM Lynnwood i'm willing to resume some manner of release meetings before then.
5:45:30 PM Lavr I am back from my meeting
5:45:34 PM MichaelDaum great: so we have revived our release meetings ... and theres a new release manager.
5:45:37 PM Lavr And beer in the glass
5:45:44 PM MichaelDaum Lavr, pft
5:45:49 PM uebera|| At work?
5:45:53 PM Lavr I am home
5:46:13 PM MichaelDaum guys, I have to leave in a few minutes.
5:46:32 PM Lynnwood understood.
5:46:46 PM MichaelDaum I must say I am quite happy to have heard from you all.
5:47:07 PM Lynnwood perhaps briefly, on last item: what is priority/need for next release?
5:47:16 PM Lynnwood maintenance release or new features?
5:47:17 PM Lavr I have not read up the log but for the GA I am happy to take another turn as board member
5:47:37 PM uebera|| Since this is the 1st board meeting for a long time: Do we want to change the Netcup server? We need to give notice before mid of December for this.
5:47:53 PM uebera|| Lynnwood: I'd deal with a number of operations/maintenance related tasks before that, personally.
5:48:02 PM uebera|| Unless there are "critical" fixes.
5:48:15 PM MichaelDaum btw 1730, summer time ends in a few days. so this means 1630 during winter time or move it to 17300 wintertime as well?
5:48:19 PM Lynnwood that's fine. I was just curious.
5:48:22 PM JulianLevens I've updated https://foswiki.org/Community/AssociationBoardMinutes20191010. with a summary
5:48:36 PM JulianLevens 17:30 local time all year round
5:48:37 PM Lynnwood thanks JulianLevens!
5:49:15 PM uebera|| JulianLevens: 17:30 UTC? Because 17:30 local time might lead to unexpected results… :)
5:50:25 PM JulianLevens Ok, from January 18:30 UTC, then when DST kicks in end March 19:30 UTC
5:51:52 PM uebera|| Ah, I see. Some of you meant 17:30PM CET. Still ok-ish.
5:52:34 PM JulianLevens Yes I need to get home from work and need to allow commuting time
5:53:04 PM uebera|| My point was that 17:30 UTC would be later than 17:30PM CET.
5:54:01 PM JulianLevens I thought it was the other way around
5:54:24 PM JulianLevens Right now CET is UTC+2
5:54:46 PM JulianLevens And will become UTC+1 at the end of October
5:55:18 PM MichaelDaum have to leave.
5:55:29 PM JulianLevens Bye Michael
5:55:43 PM MichaelDaum want the irc logs attached to the minutes topic?
5:55:48 PM JulianLevens Please
5:55:53 PM Lynnwood sounds good
5:56:32 PM Lynnwood so what time is it currently for you all?
5:56:40 PM MichaelDaum okay. bye. have a nice weekend.
5:56:45 PM MichaelDaum left the channel.
5:56:48 PM Lynnwood almost 6?
5:56:51 PM uebera|| Lynnwood: 17:56:32
5:56:56 PM Lynnwood ok
5:57:07 PM Lavr Bye all
5:57:11 PM uebera|| cu!
5:57:16 PM Lynnwood good bye
5:57:43 PM Lynnwood ...not leaving, just saying...
5:58:03 PM uebera|| Lynwood: dito. Did I understand you correctly that you'll send the letter to (former) members?
5:58:12 PM Lynnwood yes.
5:58:19 PM JulianLevens Bye
5:58:27 PM Lynnwood i'll draft that and send out to you all for feedback
5:58:32 PM uebera|| Great.